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Enough is Enough

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Dear GMS,
And all players of the Community , please take this issue seriously, or else it will leave a very BAD impression on all Gamers.
W e all r matured enough to play this wonderful game and have in A3, but instead they r taking it personally by ABUSING on Mothers & involving families.

Now point is, Clap sound come by both HANDS, not from single side.
Personal Grudges will grow, and dont know some mentally unstable ppl may commit anytype of illegal crime, So eventually it reflects on whole server.

Giving several warnings by GMs or Other Admin side, its of no use.
later saying sorry, and begging, paying FINE , is that the only action GMs take ?

What are the ROC stating ? in such cases.
According to IPC & Cycber Cell Acts these applies

1, Section 66A

Punishment for sending offensive messages through communication service, etc

Section 127, CA, 2003, “Improper use of public electronic communications network” etc

2,Section 66A(a)

Any person who sends, by means of a computer resource or a communication device

Section 1(1), MCA 1988, “Any person who sends to another person…”

3,Section 66A(b), Insult

Section 504, IPC, 1860, Persistently by making use of such computer resource or a communication device

Section 127(2)(c), CA, 2003, “persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.”


I plead All Gms to take a new innovative solution to stop these type of vulgarity .

if u GMS cant take any Strict action then pls say it directly that u cant, so we will look into alternative solution for once and All.

Waiting for GMs to respond.

Thanks and Regards

Vijay
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crownlessking wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:29 pm Dear GMS,
And all players of the Community , please take this issue seriously, or else it will leave a very BAD impression on all Gamers.
W e all r matured enough to play this wonderful game and have in A3, but instead they r taking it personally by ABUSING on Mothers & involving families.

Now point is, Clap sound come by both HANDS, not from single side.
Personal Grudges will grow, and dont know some mentally unstable ppl may commit anytype of illegal crime, So eventually it reflects on whole server.

Giving several warnings by GMs or Other Admin side, its of no use.
later saying sorry, and begging, paying FINE , is that the only action GMs take ?

What are the ROC stating ? in such cases.
According to IPC & Cycber Cell Acts these applies

1, Section 66A

Punishment for sending offensive messages through communication service, etc

Section 127, CA, 2003, “Improper use of public electronic communications network” etc

2,Section 66A(a)

Any person who sends, by means of a computer resource or a communication device

Section 1(1), MCA 1988, “Any person who sends to another person…”

3,Section 66A(b), Insult

Section 504, IPC, 1860, Persistently by making use of such computer resource or a communication device

Section 127(2)(c), CA, 2003, “persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.”


I plead All Gms to take a new innovative solution to stop these type of vulgarity .

if u GMS cant take any Strict action then pls say it directly that u cant, so we will look into alternative solution for once and All.

Waiting for GMs to respond.

Thanks and Regards

Vijay
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Abusing from noob characters (which Fattu temozians do) doesn’t make it less immoral or illegitimate.

Don’t want to get abused? Don’t abuse, it’s as simple as that.

Rest, my exact residential address was shared by me on discord when one of the T noobs asked for it, take it and shove it up your ass. Do the best you can do 😂

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Buddy If you are really a HC Adv then you would be knowing that these laws cannot be used on virtual chars, unless and untill real names are involved or their pictures or of their near dear ones is involved and/or distributed on the SM platforms or in any other electronic or physical media.

For example you have a virtual identity say "TPiggy" then abusing T piggy doesn't mean that I am abusing you when I say "Fcuk you TPiggy"...if I take your name and abuse then it comes under section 66A of the IT Act 2000. But is it offensive...? Because the word "offensive" under the law is very draconic as one judge can say it's natural to say F word nowadays. You might be knowing that better than me, right?
How will section 66B apply, even if shouts come under this, if we assume that actual names were used and false information is being provided via the chat channel?
Does the investigation agency have so much time to investigate tat?

If that would have been the case then most of the online platforms or such will be banning millions of accounts on daily basis and cases overflowing the system.

HOWEVER it becomes the liability of the Network Provider or the medium to ensure that such things are not repeated and proper warning is issued to the users.

Here I report so many Twitter & FB users for derogatory comments against India, Religion, Individuals, etc but no action is normally taken. This being reported to the Cyber Cell, Regional Police Head Honchos, Child WCs, Women and Minorities Commission, etc etc.

Unless and until there is a popular figure involved, media backlash or Online frenzy, majority of the times, nothing happens in India and maybe people take solace from it.

BUT that does not mean that I support abuses in anyway.

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First of all we are not providing a communication service. Secondly, this is a virtual game and you are playing a virtual entity which has no relation to anyone's real world self. Thirdly, you are required to send a mail to report@a3mania.com to report any communication abuse.
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This is the reply for
1, Golden :- Section 66 B applies if the communication is done in any social platform { Discord } , where our shouts can be visible through it.
2, No one takes these cases serious , i agree , but unitl someone takes action and make a case study on such new incidents, this will be a debateble topic to look into it.
3, Generalising the abuse way will not effect , but passing a STATEMENT on a particular person, with irregular & Abusive words can be Considered.
4, Some incidents and some cases without a Popular Person, or Media Backing , Still our INDIAN LAWS Work, but just they wont get FAMOUS, still INVESTIGATIONS continue.

This Reply For
Liege :- Brother i am doing my practise, so i am considering this issue can be a case study , As i already spoke to my SENIORS, this case can be taken up Until , One such case goes into LAW and ORDER or Criminal Intention Behind it.
So if some one tries to harm themself and turn up the issue into another case i.e Such as Criminal, Finiancial , Harrasment is involved.
More over coming with NOOB Chars or Not is none of my CONCERN, i asked everyone , for their open thoughts and Opinions on this post , if u see .
And let me be clear one thing , We all play game for some fun, that means we cant take abuses on familes and mothers involving it, u can abuse them without VULGARITY too.
SImple thing is we can SUE anyone with particular crime incidents or non criminal incidents, it wont take much time,
But in our profession we take other issues seriously, than this, REALITY matters.

Last Reply for GM:-
1, Virtual world or Digital world, doesnt matter when , Ones Identity is revealed PUBLICLY on other platforms ( DISCORD ) including their own names.
2, Bringing Real worlds Identity and ABusing Virtually is acceptable ? is that what u wana say ?
3, Discord has connected via monile numbers or email ids , where we can put or not DPS and include ourself identity visible or not, in Game Shouts are visible in DISCORD group which is a social THIRD PARTY Platform.
4, Complaing on Support ? cant u see the shouts on the group or LOGS ?
5, If u need some one to complain , then here we are, many players tried this and FED up, BCZ no Action is aganist them.



TO ALL MANIAS
i am not Anti or Favourable to anyone , we need clean game, PKING is a part of GAME , nothing wrong in it.
Wars are Part of GAME nothing Wrong in it.
T or Q we dont care, but abusing on parents had gone FAR .
anyone can be effected, either its u or someone else, i raised this issue in a POLITE WAY so some action can be done , in future everyone controls their Emotions and not to LOOSE words on Families.

More over no one is a KID here, All r well Matured Enough,
Mother is a Mother in any form , MY mother is a mother and others mother is Diff ?
No Buddy Try to Respect some self Values, Gaming is GOOD, Gaming is FUN, SO lets Enjoy the Previlages not to Spoil the Game.
The way we raised by our Familes, Resemble the Character we choose to be.
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crownlessking wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:48 pm This is the reply for
1, Golden :- Section 66 B applies if the communication is done in any social platform { Discord } , where our shouts can be visible through it.
2, No one takes these cases serious , i agree , but unitl someone takes action and make a case study on such new incidents, this will be a debateble topic to look into it.
3, Generalising the abuse way will not effect , but passing a STATEMENT on a particular person, with irregular & Abusive words can be Considered.
4, Some incidents and some cases without a Popular Person, or Media Backing , Still our INDIAN LAWS Work, but just they wont get FAMOUS, still INVESTIGATIONS continue.

This Reply For
Liege :- Brother i am doing my practise, so i am considering this issue can be a case study , As i already spoke to my SENIORS, this case can be taken up Until , One such case goes into LAW and ORDER or Criminal Intention Behind it.
So if some one tries to harm themself and turn up the issue into another case i.e Such as Criminal, Finiancial , Harrasment is involved.
More over coming with NOOB Chars or Not is none of my CONCERN, i asked everyone , for their open thoughts and Opinions on this post , if u see .
And let me be clear one thing , We all play game for some fun, that means we cant take abuses on familes and mothers involving it, u can abuse them without VULGARITY too.
SImple thing is we can SUE anyone with particular crime incidents or non criminal incidents, it wont take much time,
But in our profession we take other issues seriously, than this, REALITY matters.

Last Reply for GM:-
1, Virtual world or Digital world, doesnt matter when , Ones Identity is revealed PUBLICLY on other platforms ( DISCORD ) including their own names.
2, Bringing Real worlds Identity and ABusing Virtually is acceptable ? is that what u wana say ?
3, Discord has connected via monile numbers or email ids , where we can put or not DPS and include ourself identity visible or not, in Game Shouts are visible in DISCORD group which is a social THIRD PARTY Platform.
4, Complaing on Support ? cant u see the shouts on the group or LOGS ?
5, If u need some one to complain , then here we are, many players tried this and FED up, BCZ no Action is aganist them.



TO ALL MANIAS
i am not Anti or Favourable to anyone , we need clean game, PKING is a part of GAME , nothing wrong in it.
Wars are Part of GAME nothing Wrong in it.
T or Q we dont care, but abusing on parents had gone FAR .
anyone can be effected, either its u or someone else, i raised this issue in a POLITE WAY so some action can be done , in future everyone controls their Emotions and not to LOOSE words on Families.

More over no one is a KID here, All r well Matured Enough,
Mother is a Mother in any form , MY mother is a mother and others mother is Diff ?
No Buddy Try to Respect some self Values, Gaming is GOOD, Gaming is FUN, SO lets Enjoy the Previlages not to Spoil the Game.
The way we raised by our Familes, Resemble the Character we choose to be.

Ye sab bakchodi chhodke ye bata ki jo tu 1500 rupees lia tha doosre server me financial problem bolke wo kab lautayega.
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Liege :- I think ur talking about the closed server ,
i agree in hard times i took help from some of my gaming friends, and in the same way i returned some ppl, if in case i forgot some one pls feel free to message me personally, and i am happy to return them, its there hard earnd money its my personal feeling, i ask for an apology for delaying or forgot to repay.
i Admit Publicly that its my mistake , and now i need a chance to correct it.

Personally thank u Brother, for making me realize.
Once again thanks and Regards
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Given your humble words, I do believe you deserve an honest response (at least from me) on this topic.

Just the way you said, no one really likes to hurl or hear abuses. The issue is while most of the folks deliver lectures on abuse-free gaming environment, a majority of those folks log-in noob characters and do the same shit they complain about. Do note that I'm not pointing at you. When folks abuse from noob characters, even the ones not abusing get locked into the same frame and get abused. What follows is a cycle of abuses that never ends.

GMs can't address this in totality either, even though they do take action against reports on abuses, it's not possible for any GM to be online 24x7 and keep penalizing abusers. It's not sustainable. If GMs start permanently banning all abusers, 90% of the server shall get banned! You can't even put a threshold on what qualifies as an abuse tbh, because everyone's definition of abuse is different and no one can enforce their thoughts on others. :D

The only folks who can control abuses are the players themselves and that has neither happened nor will it happen in an online environment.

If I were you and I had such grave issues with the abuses that go on, I'd simply take ss of abuses and report to GMs. In addition, I'll keep my shout/message window down and keep playing because virtual anonymous abuses do not really MEAN anything!

Having said that, I'm all in for abuse-free environment but I can tell you that's not a possibility, not just in A3 but in any MMORPG. Yes, you can reduce abuses but cannot totally eliminate.

Not much active on forums, message on discord if you want to debate further on this.

Happy gaming!
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crownlessking wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:48 pm This is the reply for
1, Golden :- Section 66 B applies if the communication is done in any social platform { Discord } , where our shouts can be visible through it.
2, No one takes these cases serious , i agree , but unitl someone takes action and make a case study on such new incidents, this will be a debateble topic to look into it.
3, Generalising the abuse way will not effect , but passing a STATEMENT on a particular person, with irregular & Abusive words can be Considered.
4, Some incidents and some cases without a Popular Person, or Media Backing , Still our INDIAN LAWS Work, but just they wont get FAMOUS, still INVESTIGATIONS continue.
Hi Vijay,
Section 66 B applies if the communication is done in any social platform { Discord } , where our shouts can be visible through it.
I carried out the conversation regarding Section 66 A & B of the IT ACT for discussion sake only.
As I said in my post that this law was a draconian law which had unlimited powers which was being misused by many people including politicians, police and disgruntled people or spouses!

The old sections of 66 A & B dealt with these abusive online shouts. HOWEVER the Supreme Court has struck down the draconian contents of 66 A & B regarding the abuses online as it violated the Article 19(1)(a) of the Constitution of India which guarantees Freedom of Speech, in 2015 ~x(
After this judgement by the SC, many cases filed under Section 66 were abolished!!!

This is the reason why people can post online slogans like "Bharat terey tukde hongey hazar insha allah insha allah" and abuse the PM as much as they like and go scot free.

THE MeeeeeeLords of Supreme Courts made it mandatory that online intermediaries (in the case of a3 Mania, it would be the management of A3 Mania) would only be obligated to take down content and take relevant action on the accounts as need be or according to their policy on abuses, etc etc.

Now they brought it under IPC, which we know how much time consuming and "money wasting" process it is and that too if the Police finds it fit to register this offence. That too if real names are taken!
Generalising the abuse way will not effect , but passing a STATEMENT on a particular person, with irregular & Abusive words can be Considered.
That's what I said in my post!
Some incidents and some cases without a Popular Person, or Media Backing , Still our INDIAN LAWS Work, but just they wont get FAMOUS, still INVESTIGATIONS continue.
Forgot Payal Rohatgi Case? How she was framed under Section 66A by the Rajasthan Govt? That to when section 66A, regarding freedom of speech online, was in force??? Later it was struck down by the Court and relevant IPC was imposed!
However that offensive video is still on FB!

Law works but do you have the time, effort & money to see it through?

Having said that and knowing all this, I still invest my time, daily, to report abuses directed towards India, Hinduism, relevant Public figures, Child pornographic images or jokes, etc to the relevant authorities!

PLEASE NOTE: This is a general discussion regarding Online Abuses and relevant Laws and such other alternatives & doesn't support online abuses!

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Thank You for so much for understanding me and my intention Brother.
A healthy Discussion helps us to maintain good relation and a comfortable Server to enjoy.
Open Debates are always useful.
Now everyone Enjoy the Game , But please before abusing personally on families, think once, we all are friends ( apart from age,caste,nationality ) .

Thank you Liege , Goldenarrows, & Espcly GM


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