Does 30% heal in arena make it fair/unfair?

Greendragon · Post by **Greendragon** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:54 pm

does 30% heal bring all classes to the same competitive level as they are supposed to?
I dont think so... 30% heal = no heal except vs mages who hit slow with skills. But hit and run mages still can take any hk for a ride.
Now the situation:
1. by the time u heal, u lose that 30% u healed already so no point using heal
2. damage is buggy(yeah i repeat this again) with 3k attack, one cant get 1k normal on a person who has 1.5k defense. So u cant expect to customize ur stats to fit ur gameplay to win with hk.
3. HK damage sux big time compared to the other classes and since nowadays healing is stupidity(u lose more hp trying to heal) Now hope other classes are having fun kicking disabled hk b*tt.
4. Non Dex hk stands absolutely no chance whatsoever!

you guys still think its fair and it should be that way? c'mon... lets accept the fact!
why are we trying to fix a thing which is "working as designed"(100% heal) and not smthing which is "not working as designed" (the damage)? Arent we fixing the wrong thing?

I had some more points but not able to point them out coz of lack of time... need to rush to office now!

Disclaimer: this may/maynot sound offensive to the people who work their arses off to maintain the server. I totally appreciate their effort. But just my honest opinion. Would appreciate if the thread stays.

forgetits · Post by **forgetits** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:12 pm

Yeah GD its totally unfair to HK's of having 30% heal.Since HK damage sucxx as compared to other classes.

HK's never complains abt others classes like Mage's SB in Bossing Warrior with g9.5 uni spear Archer with 3x crit with Grashat.

HK's is the eldest of all other classes and well known for his DEF and other features like "BOR and HEAL" since 1 hand is already been cut frm HK mayb sm1 in server cm and say that HK's uses BOR skill and make his DEF double of that stats. This all this are just NOOBS 2 Answer

Each and every class has some or the other ability:
HK : HEAL BOR KW
ARCHER : CRIT SPECIALIST
MAGE : IMBA LVLER AND QUICKEST OF ALL
WARRIOR : IMBA TANKER

So if 1 class is been penalized y not with others lets say :

Mage cannot SEDE
NO 3x crit for ARCHER with GRASHAT
FAIR amount of TANKING BAR

If every1 accept this changes thn 1 can say its FAIR

<b> OTHERWISE IT'S TOTALLY UNFAIR WITH HK'S <b>

GM's pls think on it changing file 4 just 1 class is it FAIR

forgetits · Post by **forgetits** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:14 pm

Hey the 1 who selected pls provide ur Comments that would really appreciate

rohitsinghania · Post by **rohitsinghania** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:25 pm

Greendragon wrote:does 30% heal bring all classes to the same competitive level as they are supposed to?
I dont think so... 30% heal = no heal except vs mages who hit slow with skills. But hit and run mages still can take any hk for a ride.
Now the situation:
1. by the time u heal, u lose that 30% u healed already so no point using heal
2. damage is buggy(yeah i repeat this again) with 3k attack, one cant get 1k normal on a person who has 1.5k defense. So u cant expect to customize ur stats to fit ur gameplay to win with hk.
3. HK damage sux big time compared to the other classes and since nowadays healing is stupidity(u lose more hp trying to heal) Now hope other classes are having fun kicking disabled hk b*tt.
4. Non Dex hk stands absolutely no chance whatsoever!

you guys still think its fair and it should be that way? c'mon... lets accept the fact!
why are we trying to fix a thing which is "working as designed"(100% heal) and not smthing which is "not working as designed" (the damage)? Arent we fixing the wrong thing?

I had some more points but not able to point them out coz of lack of time... need to rush to office now!

Disclaimer: this may/maynot sound offensive to the people who work their arses off to maintain the server. I totally appreciate their effort. But just my honest opinion. Would appreciate if the thread stays.

+1

after this decession i dont think i will enter arena even for thols

hks have become a free kill... dum jackass wid that 30% heal.. no fun for hks ...

sahil · Post by **sahil** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:32 pm

this post is gonna get flammed

so kindly saying 2 ppl who r not hk's
plzzz dont start flamming...keep ur head cool

maximus · Post by **maximus** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:46 pm

Guys..its Become a Joke..Ive seen Hks On Dex Too..i mean its impossible for them to even Move 1 step head widout potting..Even if they are on dex..Coz Archer hitting melee speed is IMBA..Sad..Nw In Arena..Archer Vs Hk..Archer will pawn....And in Tholss..or other events...Hk has Very Less Significance left to him

rohitsinghania · Post by **rohitsinghania** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:06 pm

forgetits wrote:Yeah GD its totally unfair to HK's of having 30% heal.Since HK damage sucxx as compared to other classes.

HK's never complains abt others classes like Mage's SB in Bossing Warrior with g9.5 uni spear Archer with 3x crit with Grashat.

HK's is the eldest of all other classes and well known for his DEF and other features like "BOR and HEAL" since 1 hand is already been cut frm HK mayb sm1 in server cm and say that HK's uses BOR skill and make his DEF double of that stats. This all this are just NOOBS 2 Answer

Each and every class has some or the other ability:
HK : HEAL BOR KW
ARCHER : CRIT SPECIALIST
MAGE : IMBA LVLER AND QUICKEST OF ALL
WARRIOR : IMBA TANKER

So if 1 class is been penalized y not with others lets say :

Mage cannot SEDE
NO 3x crit for ARCHER with GRASHAT
FAIR amount of TANKING BAR

If every1 accept this changes thn 1 can say its FAIR

<b> OTHERWISE IT'S TOTALLY UNFAIR WITH HK'S <b>

GM's pls think on it changing file 4 just 1 class is it FAIR

1st time i agree wid u !!

nimesh1987 · Post by **nimesh1987** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:16 pm

GD +1

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Rabellu · Post by **Rabellu** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:13 am

I agree that reducing heal is unfair.
Hk's r slowest in lvling nd have worst damage while hunting as compared to other classes. The only field in which hk's rule is pvp. But to rule in pvp also one need decent gameplay because hk have to use 6 skills during pvp. It isn't easy to pvp using hk.
Remember that hk's dn't have hp absorber to absorb opponent damage, nor they have high damage nd speed like archers nd not even they have imba uniq skill like warrior.

Hk's r meant to be king of pvp.
Reducing heal of hk is like cutting both legs Ã¶f a sprint champion nd then sending him for 100m sprint nd expecting him to win gold medal.

GhostWalker · Post by **GhostWalker** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:08 am

30% will show who has gameplay to win pvp now!
Now all those pple who say they have gameplay come to arena and show me some!!

Remember the fact that we all start with 100 k pots, lol and we have already found a way by testing the hk heal in which hk can pawn any1 with 30% heal also. You just need to be smart with ur skills.

Here is that legendary post, that got it all started by me XD

http://forum.a3mania.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=470

Post by **Numenor** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:08 am

HKs still got 100% outside Arena.

LaxmanM · Post by **LaxmanM** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:14 am

GhostWalker wrote:30% will show who has gameplay to win pvp now!
Now all those pple who say they have gameplay come to arena and show me some!!

Remember the fact that we all start with 100 k pots, lol and we have already found a way by testing the hk heal in which hk can pawn any1 with 30% heal also. You just need to be smart with ur skills. Remember to use that mace also with the dex. Any hk with a 8k bar can easily win in arena if he has good gameplay. And all the HK use dex, i have yet to see a hk use g10 or mace in pvp except GD, and max dmg done to a hk on dex is only by warrior by unique spear which is 1100 MAX normal that too. Archers do far less around 700-800 MAX. Healing urself with the 30% heal with right combo of skills and gameplay will make u win, without dex u cant beat the archer with 100% heal also.

Hmmm...

Suppose a hk has a bar of 10k, 30% heal heals 3k hp.

As you say, archers do 800 damage on HK's(using dex).. by the time the hk heals, an archer can hit him atleast 4-5 times.. Which leads to more damage than the heal recovers...
Btw, no unique weapons are allowed in arena.. which makes it impossible for hks to heal to any char as mages tend to staff once they are aura5..

This makes HK's pointless in arena... It is like playing a warrior... Once they put on kw and shield... all they have to do is melee as there is no point healing..

Btw, BOR does not affect in this server

It reduces some 10 damage only.. *WTF*

And btw GW, HK's can beat grashat archers without dex also, I've done it several times.. Zorphia tped several times in nevia... Beat LK aka Morpheous also in arena (while using touchpad, though i did die once or twice

).

I agree that 100% heal made HK's unbeatable... But, 30% is too less. Maybe 70 or 50% would have been better.

However, since it's 100% outside... It doesn't matter much.

Just feeling sad because I can't be of much help to my kh during thols.

P.S: I do support the decision to change heal.

alex · Post by **alex** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:33 am

Mu ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! M luvin it..
Finally I can challenge ny1 in the server fr 1-1 wid my warrior or archer..

As GW said sm1 wid a decent play can beat any char wid hk even widout dex.. Finally those hks who just take out dex n spam heal cant brag abt their so called gameplay..

alex · Post by **alex** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:35 am

P.S. I was pvping wid GD from Stalina.. He did beat me though he was usin dex n i wasnt

.. So hk's like GD only deserve to win no1 else

deadraizer · Post by **deadraizer** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:48 pm

Its totally unfair, my reasons here-
1. HKs r d only class widout ne gud uniq weapons, warriors hv uni spear, mages hv paum and archers hv grahsat, and every class has der dex, bt HKs str uniqs suck to d core, whn compared wid others.
2. Hks damage sux, they deal d worst damage, and attack rate is also lesser than others xcept mage.
3. had only 2 good skills, BOR and heal (KW can b shared), nw heal's already turned useless, and as others specified, BOR doesnt work so well in dis RB server.
4. HK didnt get ne gud epi 5 skills, mages hv advanced hp, archers hv darts and warriors hv just 2 many gud epi 5 skills to talk about, HK does hv divine heal and divine resurrection, bt see their cooldowns, ne1 wud rarely use 'em.
5. They suck in levelling, deal less damage, hv only 1 ranged skill, and their mace doesnt hv ne range skills, and sword has no mass skils, only 2 weapons wid dis problem on d server, mages hv sedi and sb, so they r levelling queens, archers hv ranged mass skills and gud speed, and warriors hv freeze, mass stunning skill, wht cud b better?

HKs only ruled in PvP earlier, and thts also over nw, and GMs iit was ur decision earlier, u said tht u wnt bring ne change, wht happened nw???

Flame me as much as u wanna, Bt I hv to say GMs change ur decision

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